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| Blogesque | Gotta get it off the chopping block first, but... | 5 | Feb 21 2008, 10:08 AM EST by elwiemo | |
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Thread started: Aug 31 2007, 6:31 PM EDT
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remember the price per sq.ft. of downtown real estate. Requiring that any portion of a tenant's space must be devoted to cultural use is a de facto minority tax. Taking culture out of it, denying tenants the right to legally use their expensive space as they see fit will keep them away.
The arts market was tried at Main & Santa Clara; seen how that turned out lately? I can see maybe a few shopfronts on the Arcade's second-floor concourse; that sort of thing has been up there before. As for a "social experimentation area" and so forth, you have got to be kidding. This is downtown Dayton, not the UC Berkely campus. Commerce is what will sustain the Arcade. The whole building will likely be weapons-free via zoning, and I'm pretty sure there's a wi-fi hotspot on Courthouse Square that may be accessible from the Arcade. Putting an access point in the rotunda would give the whole place full coverage. "Performance space" seems vague and kind of unnecessary considering the existing number of concert halls and nightclub stages downtown, but maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. Part of the history museum you describe has long been housed across the street in the old Courthouse, although there's not much to it. I definitely think there should be an official City of Dayton footprint in the Arcade; it's just a question of how large that footprint should be. I think that mixed use by both public and private tenants (at least initially) would be the surest way to kick-start investment. Maybe the first few storefronts on the concourse could be opened up into the kind of classy, city-operated info center that you suggest. There's also the thought that some city offices could be opened to become anchor tenants in the office section at Ludlow and Fourth. The presence of such offices would encourage other tenants, as it would demonstrate active City of Dayton involvement in the Arcade's future. |
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| SloshedTurtle | My idea(s): | 0 | Jan 27 2008, 4:44 PM EST by SloshedTurtle | |
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Thread started: Jan 27 2008, 4:44 PM EST
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I have helped in redevelopment in other cities and I have loved the Arcade since I moved here in 2003. I think it would be a shame to lose it for a parking garage-as has been suggested in the past-and I think it is a valuable piece of history and real estate. I am a social work and urban affairs major at WSU and I have read studies and conducted studies about what people want from the downtown area. A major portion of people to be considered are those who are already downtown everyday due to employment. We need to keep them there for lunch time activities and after work activities. Many of the renovated warehouses and buildings into apartments have done extremely well. If the plans for Ballpark Village go through, and they are going to go through...the Arcade will be an asset. The details in the apartments are not seen in anything modern today and add a special element that the competition does not have. The apartments should be used as apartments-but with security features so that regular people cannot access those floors. I think the offices should be used as offices. The idea of using part of the arcade for community events or shows is a great idea! Area schools can showcase their bands or chorales, for example. This has worked in the past in other areas...and it brings families downtown too! I think that "mom and pop" shops should bring back businesses to the arcade too. It is part of the charm that other centers have. If people downtown have the ability to pickup items from the gift shop and bakery and jeweler and their drycleaning, etc...during the workday or shortly thereafter---they will! Also, if there is a delinquent building that is attached or across the street--I do not remember if there is....that should be developed into parking for the Arcade and it's tenants and helps solve the issue of parking. These are just some thoughts that I think would enhance the Arcade and downtown. Oh- Please-NO boutique hotel!!!!
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| katLlist | I know you think this is a crazy idea... | 0 | Sep 16 2007, 6:37 PM EDT by katLlist | |
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Thread started: Sep 16 2007, 6:37 PM EDT
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but maybe would could get university students and professionals involved in a service learning project to create a reality based "Simm City" like version of the Arcade...something that would carry participants through the actual process of what it would take to get redevelopment underway. An interactive website, maybe, that would allow ideas to be tested for community support before embarking on an expensive effort. Let's make the next revival sustainable!
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| Blogesque | Urban Nights tour photos | 0 | Sep 15 2007, 4:36 PM EDT by Blogesque | |
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Thread started: Sep 15 2007, 4:36 PM EDT
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For those who weren't able to attend, I got some photos of the Arcade's interior and exterior yesterday:
<a href="http://blogesque.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/dayton-arcade-photos-from-urban-nights/">http://blogesque.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/dayton-arcade-photos-from-urban-nights/</a> BTW, am I the only one who never noticed that there are architectural gargoyles on the Ludlow St. facade? |
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| katLlist | reply | 0 | Sep 1 2007, 3:48 PM EDT by katLlist | |
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Thread started: Sep 1 2007, 3:48 PM EDT
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Maybe I am reading too much into your comments…but I suspect that you believe, like many pessimistic about Dayton, that anyone left in the area must be brain dead. Turning a small part of the Arcade complex into an area that would combine both cultural education and profitable business would draw intelligent people in. It could also help expand the horizons of a curious, but naive portion of the population. Downtowns are meant to be places where people liberate themselves from their isolated communities and intermingle. Yes, commerce is necessary…you’ll get no argument from me there…but commerce can take place anywhere, we need to take advantage of what makes downtown unique…its centrality and its history.
Think a social experiment would only happen in Berkley? Trying turning on the television…reality TV is hot! (not to say good…but popular) People everywhere are interested in social interaction. I am not sociologist…but there are some excellent teachers of sociology in the area. With all of the universities and colleges in the area, I think the potential is here to create something interesting and enlightening without being raunchy. We need an indoor public performance place downtown. Concerts on Courthouse Square aren’t going to happen in extreme weather. It also seems like an indoor venue would promote the enforcement of a proper code of conduct. |
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