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Blogesque	Gotta get it off the chopping block first, but... Aug 31 2007, 6:31 PM EDT remember the price per sq.ft. of downtown real estate. Requiring that any portion of a tenant's space must be devoted to cultural use is a de facto minority tax. Taking culture out of it, denying tenants the right to legally use their expensive space as they see fit will keep them away. The arts market was tried at Main & Santa Clara; seen how that turned out lately? I can see maybe a few shopfronts on the Arcade's second-floor concourse; that sort of thing has been up there before. As for a "social experimentation area" and so forth, you have got to be kidding. This is downtown Dayton, not the UC Berkely campus. Commerce is what will sustain the Arcade. The whole building will likely be weapons-free via zoning, and I'm pretty sure there's a wi-fi hotspot on Courthouse Square that may be accessible from the Arcade. Putting an access point in the rotunda would give the whole place full coverage. "Performance space" seems vague and kind of unnecessary considering the existing number of concert halls and nightclub stages downtown, but maybe I'm not understanding what you mean. Part of the history museum you describe has long been housed across the street in the old Courthouse, although there's not much to it. I definitely think there should be an official City of Dayton footprint in the Arcade; it's just a question of how large that footprint should be. I think that mixed use by both public and private tenants (at least initially) would be the surest way to kick-start investment. Maybe the first few storefronts on the concourse could be opened up into the kind of classy, city-operated info center that you suggest. There's also the thought that some city offices could be opened to become anchor tenants in the office section at Ludlow and Fourth. The presence of such offices would encourage other tenants, as it would demonstrate active City of Dayton involvement in the Arcade's future. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
katLlist	1. RE: Gotta get it off the chopping block first, but... Sep 1 2007, 3:47 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2007, 3:47 PM EDT Maybe I am reading too much into your comments…but I suspect that you believe, like many pessimistic about Dayton, that anyone left in the area must be brain dead. Turning a small part of the Arcade complex into an area that would combine both cultural education and profitable business would draw intelligent people in. It could also help expand the horizons of a curious, but naive portion of the population. Downtowns are meant to be places where people liberate themselves from their isolated communities and intermingle. Yes, commerce is necessary…you’ll get no argument from me there…but commerce can take place anywhere, we need to take advantage of what makes downtown unique…its centrality and its history. Think a social experiment would only happen in Berkley? Trying turning on the television…reality TV is hot! (not to say good…but popular) People everywhere are interested in social interaction. I am not a sociologist…but there are some excellent teachers of sociology in the area. With all of the universities and colleges in the area, I think the potential is here to create something interesting and enlightening without being raunchy. We need an indoor public performance place downtown. Concerts on Courthouse Square aren’t going to happen in extreme weather. It also seems like an indoor venue would promote the enforcement of a proper code of conduct. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
katLlist	2. RE: Gotta get it off the chopping block first, but... Sep 1 2007, 3:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2007, 3:56 PM EDT By the way did you attend the rally? I missed it and I'm trying to post news of events on the site. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
elwiemo	3. RE: Gotta get it off the chopping block first, but... Feb 13 2008, 12:11 PM EST I agree with the arts comment: artists don't spend or make anything of financial consequence. Using the space for performances or concerts, however, is something Dayton needs. There are no medium sized concert halls (like Bogarts in Cincy or Newport in Columbus) in Dayton for bands to play at. With our location (the highway intersection and small airport), every band who passes through Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati should also be stopping by Dayton. Not only that, but those medium sized venues are much more personal and fun to watch a popular band at. Also, popular bands who do come through don't want to play at the Nutter Center and pay the high fees for a show that only 100 or so people my show up for. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
katLlist	4. artists don't spend or make anything of financial consequence? really? Feb 20 2008, 11:04 PM EST just to bring a new perspective to your comment... at the meeting tonight an employee of one of the performance venues downtown said that visiting performers (artists) staying downtown have made inquires about services such as restaurants, beauty salons, massage therapists etc. that seem to be in short supply downtown. The little night life we have downtown is enriched and sustained by artists at the Schuster and the Victoria. If art galleries would stay open later maybe people going to performances would stay downtown longer and patronize night clubs as well. It seems to be working for the Cannery and Therapy Cafe... sure, improving night life wouldn't cure everything but it would certainly be a step in the right direction Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
elwiemo	5. RE: artists don't spend or make anything of financial consequence? really? Feb 21 2008, 10:08 AM EST Keyword being, "visiting" artists, not the ones that would take up space in the arcade. I love our local artists too; I wish Dayton had a bohemia community, but I just don't think we have a sexy and exciting enough demographic to support that. I wouldn't mind if someone proved me wrong, but I bet if we asked the chamber of commerce they would agree. The places on front street impressed me, but they're practically hidden. I do agree with improving the night-life. I wish there were at least a couple restaurants downtown open late. There are a few, but they are all by the University and not within pub-crawling distance from 5th street, or visible to the tourists visiting the baseball stadium. One thing that is not in short supply is space! There should not be any empty buildings/floors/rooms downtown, and it cannot be that hard to find businesses willing to give downtown a try. I would like to hear a downtown-savvy realitor explain the situation. I wish I could have gone last night; I definitely plan to attend to the next meeting. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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